Switching from documentated vessel to state registered in MA

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I am in the process to paying off the last of the loan with the bank with the boat being documented. What will I need to do as far as deletion with the documentation etc. And what will I need to register it in MA once its paid off? Sales tax was paid in MA when I purchased it

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I would keep it documented. Make sure you get a lien release from the bank and register it. Good luck.
 

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So after making a few calls it looks like once the loan is paid then I have to wait 7-10 days for a release of lien. Once I get that I have to fill out a deletion of documentation from and send it in. I was told that it could take a long time to get that back before I can state register it. Some states allow you to keep the documentation and still state register but not in MA
 

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usually (in rhode island), you can keep your documentation and pay the state to get the sticker, but no numbers. You cannot be documented and registered in a state to my knowledge. That is what people are supposed to do if you meet the days in state requirement. Why do you want to get out of documentation?
 

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For the coast guard safety inspection it will cost a lot less...different requirements for state registered vs documented....liferaft...sat phone....cpr/first aid etc.. state registered boat can be fishing 50 miles out and need a lot less than documented boat to be in compliance
 

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For the coast guard safety inspection it will cost a lot less...different requirements for state registered vs documented....liferaft...sat phone....cpr/first aid etc.. state registered boat can be fishing 50 miles out and need a lot less than documented boat to be in compliance
Gotcha, is this fisheries related?
 

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For the coast guard safety inspection it will cost a lot less...different requirements for state registered vs documented....liferaft...sat phone....cpr/first aid etc.. state registered boat can be fishing 50 miles out and need a lot less than documented boat to be in compliance
What size is the boat ?
My experience or what I’ve been told is that any vessel over a certain length (27 ft) was supposed to be documented
 

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First aid/cpr FCC license...drill conductor course and sat phone or SSB are required for a documented vessel and not a state registered boat. A state registered boat can go out 100 miles with less gear than a documented boat that can only be out to 20 miles. And yes the raft is one of the biggest costs. Repack on a valise is half of a solas
 

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Mudd I'm not sure that is true. I ran several different scenarios with the checklist generator documented and state registered. There is still a big difference with each of them. They have been doing inspections on boats already and that has not been mentioned. Plenty of valise rafts are being used for inspections.
 

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it seems you could ask 3 different people and get three different answers but as of now I think we would have to go by the checklist generator which is what they use when the inspection is done
 

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Based on my experience thus far with my new rig, which is documented, you are spot on Rusty. Documented vessels need quite a bit more than state reg...so now i own a sat phone, have an FCC license, etc. Been quite expensive getting the extra stuff but it is what it is. And i spent hours on the phone with the CG ensuring i understand these things.
 

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Funny, we can agree on most everything here on this forum, even the most complicated tech subjects. But anything to do with state or federal regs there seems to be endless discussion and no resolution... We all know you can also call a fed agency 3 times and get 3 different answers.
My feeling is that if CG documentation (or the RMV or whatever) that I am registered with wants me to do/have something, they should send me a letter and tell me. Otherwise I just go along the way I am. I have 2 documented boats, I replace my documents every year, and no one has ever proposed to me what I need aboard.
 

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I spoke with the inspector today there is different requirements for each... and yes documented vessels need a lot more then State registered
 

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If the boat is over 5 tons, then technically it is required to be documented if commercial fishing on a fishery endorsement. Some guys play with the tonnage measurement and have class/technical group like ABS come out and admeasure such that the boat falls below 5 tons. If you have documentation to prove under 5 tons, then you can state register and commercial fish. This is why you see foreign built larger hulls who commercial tuna fish with state numbers on them.
I have yet to hear of/experience the Coast Guard enforcing such requirements. My guess would be that if you secure state title/reg and have the requisite safety gear for a state reg boat, then you should be fine.
To an earlier post, some states have mechanisms to secure a documented vessel registration - MA is not one of them. Good luck!
 

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Rusty, Were you able to get this done? I'm trying to do the same thing with my T Jason 35. 5 net tons seems very misunderstood. The COD from previous owner has my boat at 18 GRT and 14 NRT. The displacement is only 16,500 so I don't it can carry 28,000 lbs. I was thinking my argument would be that it has no hold and can't possibly carry 10,000 lbs.
 

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Rusty, Were you able to get this done? I'm trying to do the same thing with my T Jason 35. 5 net tons seems very misunderstood. The COD from previous owner has my boat at 18 GRT and 14 NRT. The displacement is only 16,500 so I don't it can carry 28,000 lbs. I was thinking my argument would be that it has no hold and can't possibly carry 10,000 lbs.
Gross and Net tons has nothing to do with displacement (weight). It is a cargo carrying capacity expressed in volume (100 cubic feet I believe). It can be calculated many ways for many different reasons.
 

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Gotcha, Looked up the def of net tons. By my calculation my cockpit is capable of carrying 3.5 tons. When new it had a fish hold but it would still be under 5. I imagine I'm going to need a naval architect to certify that for the GC to go along.
 
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