Tony Athens Seaboard Marine Technical Forum

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  1. BillD

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    Hello guys,

    I'm passing along the signup registration info on Tony's new Seaboard Marine technical forum.

    For a multitude of reasons Tony has "broken ranks" as the leading moderator of Peter Compton's "boatdiesel forum".

    And remember....you don't need to be a Cummins marine engine owner to get technical answers on your engines, gears, etc. Seaboard Marine was one of the largest Yanmar dealers on the west coast before Yanmar stumbled on a new reliable line up of Tier II engines.

    Here's the link:

    Forums - Seaboard Marine Forum

    For what it's worth,

    Bill D
     
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    I don't think that this development is necessarily good for us marine diesel users. Tony is no doubt a total expert on the Cummins, but also other engines. That expertise will be missed on boatdiesel.

    Sure you can go to Tony's new site for Cummins help. Maybe Paul Foulston (a UK based Cummins pro) will join him there. Edit: I just looked and he hasn't showed up yet.

    But I am afraid that Tony's expertise on Yanmar, Cats, Volvo etc and his general expertise on installation issues like propping and exhaust systems will be lost to owners of those engines.

    Edit: Also after a few minutes of perusing the new site, it looks very commercial. Some of the answers (from Seaboard people) were something like: "you can buy what you need to fix that from us for $xx.".

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    Just registered, website is a little clunky, I'm sure they'll get it figured out.
     
  4. BillD

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    David, as I understand it, parting ways with boatdiesel forum was not Tony's choice but Peter Compton's in the end.

    Again. just passing what little I know along.

    Bil D
     
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    Hi David,

    I am wondering how you came up with the conclusion you seemed to want to make in this particular post……Actually this hurts coming from someone that I always supported as I respected your willingness to learn, share and support fellow boaters with zero obvious intent to gain financially, so I am actually taking exception to your point……………

    Let’s go back 18+ years (over 8,700 postings on boat diesel) and would like YOU to point out one post on boatdiesel that where I was trying to sell something other than saying something like this after I told the guy what he needed to fix the issue—If you cannot find it locally, you can drop a note to l “Brad” and he’ll sort you out………..Or, if some asked directly for a part or cost or could we supply it, I would accomodate so he could "snoop around" on Google.. Should I ignor that request in your mind? Remember what we do--WE SUPPORT Cummins engines..


    Fast forward to our new “Cummins Community” that we are dedicated too……This should be easy as the posting numbers are very little since we opened this up about 2 weeks ago. Show me where we are trying to sell something or anything? As to commercial—Not sure what that means, but I am proud that I learned & earned my keep dealing with high annual hour vessels – Do you even have a clue as to the number of boats we have new engines we have sold, vessels repowered, and continue to take care of??? I really doubt it, but I certainly can send you a list of owner names/boat names, engine serial numbers that easily exceed 1,000++ Certainly over 50% of these are high annual hour commercial boats.. So your comment on “commercial”—----------------------Is that Bad? If so, I am 100% totally guilty as charged.


    As to all the rest that you are also obviously ill-informed on…This all started going South a little over a year ago when Peter decided to start charging its member more $$ to see what we had given Peter 100% free to build his Knowledge Base” --------Let’s call it “boxing with Peter” as a simple way to say we did not agree on the overall direction of where he was going.. Complete access to everything we put on our site that we share for 100% free—Even all my direct competitors have access to this—No “watermarks” like Peter does, no trademarks, nothing—It’s all there for the taking, all there for stealing and plagiarizing and claiming it as their own (I could show you many examples of that even in a well-read magazine) ..……But in Peter’s case, he had a big advantage—He always had access before we put it on our site, and had access to the raw files to redo them to fit his “COLD FUSION” formatting needs.


    So in reality it came down to this----------His reasoning was that you charge someone to see what I put on the ”Boatdiesel” site for what I put on my site for free? It came down to anything I posted a link to on my site (Cummins Marine Diesel Repower Specialists) that he was too lazy to put on his site or anyone could find on his site pissed him off...

    But then, when I posted a link to a site that had “SAE J-1939” error code lookups, basically, he lost it.. This was a totally innocuous link that we spent about 10 hours on making it “understandable to Average Joe” and gave it to him… but this pushed him over the edge... Maybe he did not want to spend a few hours re-formatting this very valuable info—Don’t know, but that was the final nail in the coffin…


    Let’s now fast forward again... Your entire perception of what this Community is about is wrong.. ……Yes, Cummins has always been my main focus, but nothing that I have even stood for or offered is based on one thing, real experience, is lost or gone… In fact, this has re-energized what I do and my entire team (BTW which has grown) because now I do not have to “think” if what I post will be acceptable to whatever the current “Peters Politics” are or not. In so many words, this became out of control.


    You can read this post anyway you want, but the intent here is only to educate you to what you are not privy to...


    Hope you see the light and would welcome you insight to anything that you think will help the boating community, but with "no strings attached" …


    Tony
     
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    Tony,
    Will there be a "Yanmar Community"?
     
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    Good for you Tony going out on your own. Your passion for product and customer support is unmatched in this day and age. As a new owner of a 6.7 Cummins block, the support you give to the diesel community and Cummins especially is most reassuring. I did a lot of research into other manufacturers and it was the support and accessibility to the vast knowledge base you provide and others on this forum is THE reason I kept coming back to Cummins. Sign me up
     
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    Leaving a good thing on principal, which is what I read into what Tony has said, is not an easy thing to do. We need more choices than BoatDiesel.
    So, Tony, go for it.
     
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    I just checked Tony's forum.......it has 183 members.

    btw, I too had my membership deleted by Peter Compton. In fairness to Peter he gave me a lifetime free membership to his forum for my contributions to the forum. Back in 2009 when I did a twin repower on the 31 Blackfin I documented with pictures the whole process. And when I did the two Volvo 41P component rehab this past winter I documented also.

    Now I'm "blocked" to access to boatdiesel forum on this laptop. Peter I believe can track and block IP addresses.

    I was active on the forum as I am here. Did my best to help marine diesel owners who had questions/problems and of course I did a great deal of "reference posting" back to "Tony Tips" when needed.

    All good.

    Bill D
     
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    Billd feel free to use my login credentials if you need info off of boatdiesel and are on a computer not blocked, PM if you want more info.
     
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    Really??? What prompted the "block"? That sucks... I also use BD frequently and hate to see this.
     
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    I too was blocked by Peter

    Years back for challenging him on something long forgotten. I have been a member since the late 90's and saw the content and contributions diminish year over year. I'm one of Seaboards biggest fans, 3000 miles away, they have helped me time and again for free. Whenever I can I buy from them because they deserve my small business for all the todo they do for myself and others.
     
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    The only reason I am on Boatdiesel is for the calculators. If another site had them I would gladly pay for them... hint hint hint Mr. Athens.
     
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    will there be yanmar support Mr Athens ?
     
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    I was on Boatdiesel a few years back and I let it lapse. Then I rejoined so I could get access to the materials there and be able to advertise in the classifieds. I remembered using the prop calculator previously as a regular member. Now you have to be a "Level 2" member to use it at all. I complained about that and Peter let me have access to it even though I am only a $25/year "Level 1" member. I couldn't see paying $50 a year just to use the simple prop calculator a handful of times, which was my need for it. Sad to hear about what has happened there. Seems to me it's more of an archival site now. I'll be checking out Tony's site now that I am repowering my DMR with QSCs.
     
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    Some history......I bought a membership to boatdiesel back in 2006. Did some studying...saw Tony's name pop up quite a bit with Cummins and Yanmar posts.

    I REALLY wanted a downeaster, even priced out a 31 Duffy that would have been north of $250,000 but at the time a big buy like that would not have been approved by "the House".

    In 2007 I bought a very nice 1996 31 Blackfin with twin Cummins 6BTA power. Paid the "going rate" for sportfishers back then..the market was hot. Spent $4,000 to have the boat hauled from Delray FL to Salisbury, Ma.

    I hired a "Cummins surveyor" for a $1000.....gave me a "too do" on the engines. $16,000 later the engines were running great but with significant blowby. This is when I contacted Tony for the 1st time...bought his Envirovent system, new SMX pumps, after coolers and more. To this day I cant figure why I bought a nice boat with "junk engines" but I did. I guess "boat fever" got me.

    We had a blast with the "new" boat...for 125 hrs. then the idler assembly (coolant belt tensioner) broke at cruise rpms 2400 with NO ALARMS...how stupid. Burnt up the port motor real good...3 burnt piston, cracked exhaust manifold. Then I really got Tony involved. Bought two new ReMan 6BTA 370s tricked out and setup the "Seaboard Way".

    I documented the whole repower-rehab process with dozens of pics on boatdiesel. Documented on how to OVER ALARM a marine diesel etc. Began to help other Cummins 6BTA owners with help if I could. Peter Compton appreciated my "illustrated contributions" to boatdiesel forum and in 2009 gave me a lifetime level I membership.

    Over this past winter I rehabbed the Volvo 41Ps in the 28 Henriques...documented all on boatdiesel etc. Peter gave me a "new" Level II membership.

    Over the past 8 yrs Tony and I have become very very good friends, confidants really, I hope to get out to meet him for the 1st time next year. I've never met the man. Peter Compton knew I was good friends with Tony and a suppoter of spreading the word on his knowledge and info on the Seaboard Marine website. And I am a Cummins Marine enthusiast.

    OK, here's the bottom line. As "Tony'sTips" on his website has grownover the years to what it is today, a wealth of good solid fact based info, my postings on boatdiesel helping other marine diesel owners solve problems, new guys with questions,
    included many links to Tony's website along with other business links.

    I simply got sucked down the drain along with Tony when Compton pulled the stopper on their business alliance.

    No biggee...but I do miss helping new marine diesel owners on boatdiesel when I read the 1st post from a new member that goes something like this.

    "Hi, I'm a long time boat owner, new to diesel power. I bought a used boat with Cummins 6BTA 220s,315s,330s, 370s, whatever, and I noticed the engines start to creep up to 195F while cruising at 2400"................And then it begins....:D

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    I cannot think of a diesel engine I have not does my best to try and help a guy with..
    Remember, I put Yanmar 6LYA 370's in by Bro's boat in 2005. Put 13000 hours of them and they still ran & looked close to new--Needed more spacein the engine room so we changed out to QSB 4.5's 18 months ago..

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    Well, I tried to join but it doesn't seem to work with my Microsoft Surface/Windows RT combo. I will definitely be joining whenever I get a new tablet.
     
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    anybody having trouble registering on the new site ?? When i go to the register page i can't type in my info to join ??? I'm using firefox
     
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    Resgistarion at our new Commumity

    Absolutely a glitch has shown up.. You are #3 or #4 today.. Not sure what it is, but Corey, my IT guy & son-in-law that writes the code, we'll get it solved by Monday mid-day..

    Please hang in there..


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